Aug 25, 1997 File Memo describing visit of Kiwanis Carolinas District Governor
Subject: NC Kiwanis Dt. Gov. Tom Dimmock's visit Monday Aug 25, 1997
Date: Aug. 25, 1997
Tom (whom I have known before) arrived from Raleigh about
4:35 pm and said he had to leave in 45 minutes to give a Kiwanis
speech and then return to Raleigh tonight.
We walked up the mountain & talked about family and other
things for 15 minutes then sat on the deck.
My main point is that Kiwanis has not responded adequately
and should do a professional study.
After much back and forth, talking about success stories,
and the Task Force report etc., he acknowledged that it could
have been handled better. Other points:
He left about 5:50 pm and we said we'd stay in touch.
- TK began not as a central office program and thus there is not
the attention and concern about it there would be had staff
originated the idea.
- Tom only learned about it in the spring and can't change what
has gone before but wants some time to "make some calls" and see
what's been done (by Chris Rice) and see where to go. I asked
him to get back to me within a week--he said that would be tough
with Labor Day weekend coming up etc.
- Told me how he sees TK working and I said I think he is in a
fantasy world--and he thinks I am basing my conclusions on a
small sample of programs.
- He said, is your intention to stop the program. I said it is
first to change it so it doesn't hurt children and if not that
then yes, to stop it. (That in fact academics had encouraged us
in that direction)
- He said he would give me the point that it needs to be evaluated
(though at one point he said they don't have time or staff to
build in evaluations on the many programs they have) Again used
the excuse of voluntary org. with no money etc.--we talked about
the big building in Indianapolis & how they came to have it.
- It was an amiable meeting with a few somewhat tense moments but
each time we stepped back and began again (once when I mentioned
that we had not gone to the press but they were calling...he
said, "Now don't talk to me like that" I said I just was trying
to point out that we had bent over backwards to give Kiwanis the
opportunity to take the initiative to make substantive change and
- I stressed the need for caring about the substance of the
program and that Kiwanis had a responsibility for its fundamental
design (though locals Kiwanians disclaimed responsibility for how
a Principal runs it) I said our point is that if they don't pay
attention to the substance, then they should take their name off
- Tom indicated his interest in getting on the Inter. Board and
then being Int'l President